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Wood is so serious about the plan that last year she wouldn't even consider interviewing alums before the 3Ls, although she did accept alum applications early. Which maybe is best described as serious, although weird, about the plan.
Um, I'd imagine Judge Tinder will probably focus on getting himself confirmed before he starts to worry about hiring clerks. Way to be proactive, though...
I would assume that Tinder will hire his clerks as usual for the district court, and if he ends up confirmed mid-term, he will take his clerks with him. So consider applying in Indianapolis.
I know that Tinder had hired a third clerk last year to start in January of 2008 (so a 1/08 - 1/09 term), because he was to start as Chief Judge then (in January of 08).
Does anyone know if Judge Posener (I think that's how it's spelled) hires from Tier 2? I remember from family law something by him about selling babies. Thought I might have a shot.
I recommend learning how to spell the name of the most prodigious and prestigious judge in all of the circuit courts before you consider applying to be his clerk
Fair point about Evans not hiring from Marquette, but I don't think ranking has much to do with it. For what's it worth, San Diego is presently ranked higher than Marquette, and it has been for the last few years. However, I doubt Judge Evans made his decision based on this relatively minor gap.
what is the point of having a hiring plan if no one adheres to it? its just frustrating doing the right thing and spending time on stuff and not even being considered.
That just cannot be true, Posner typically gets hundreds of applications, and if Posner was hiring by September 7 (from Yale) then there is no way all applicants were considered. Another its not what you know but who you know. Don't try to argue that all were considered, its not possible.
Actually, that is not true. MOST judges have not made their calls yet, and will do so on their own timeframe. Just look at this board - what fraction of judge names are you seeing?
This board is only as good as the info people post on it -- and when comments are disabled for most of the Call Day, it's unreasonable to expect the data will be that robust. And even if there hadn't been a technical glitch on Tuesday, that doesn't mean that reliable info would have been posted about every judge. So the "fraction" of names mentioned here is inconclusive on several levels.
I have enough familiarity with this process to know that a far greater number of judges call candidates on or before Call Day than after. I'm not saying no one will hear from a judge if they haven't already; I'm saying the chances are slim.
You'll also note that I'm commenting in a circuit court thread, and that's the level to which my comment applies. I make no representation regarding district, magistrate, BK, or state judges.
But as for circuit judges, I stand by my comment. Chances are slim, but not none, that a candidate might still hear from a circuit judge at this point, or that a judge hasn't made his/her calls.
"Some judges on the Seventh Circuit are deliberately waiting until after this frantic period to make calls and do interviews. "
Perhaps so, but other judges on the Seventh (and elsewhere, obviously) are not waiting. And all judges are reviewing and competing for the same group of applicants, generally speaking. Thus, if you didn't get called by any of the judges who aren't waiting, it is not terribly likely that you'll be called by a judge who *is* waiting.
(Admittedly, if those judges who wait call students who have already accepted offers with judges who didn't wait, then it becomes more likely that the judge will call students farther down their list.)
Does anyone know about the staff attorney clerkship positions on Seventh Circuit? Are they at all prestigious? Are they more prestigious that a Fed. Dis't Ct. clerkship?
I can't claim any personal knowledge on the prestige of a staff attorney position, but, intuitively, I would think such a position would carry less prestige than a district court clerkship.
I got the invitation to apply for a staff law clerk position on the 7th Circuit and was flat out told by one of my former profs that my current state supreme court clerkship was more prestigous. He suggested I not apply.
Posner is done. Chambers said he's adhered to his strict HYS top 5% w/law review publication requirement pretty closely this year. He is tired of messing around with students who aren't serious; an advanced degree in economics from an Ivy doesn't hurt either. Good luck.
The prof who told you that state s.ct. is more prestigious than staff atty at CA7 is only right if you care about prestige among people as uninformed as the prof. Many people are that uniformed, so whatever.
Hmm, I guess you don't consider former Posner clerk Kate Shaw (Northwestern '06) to be very serious? And I guess neither did her current boss, Justice Stevens...?
Within that state (and most likely outside that state), a state supreme court clerkship IS more prestigious than a staff attorney position at a federal COA level because the state supreme court clerkship is still an elbow law clerk position.
At least several of the judges on the 7th Circuit are hiring four. Sykes interviewed Thurs (9/20) and Fri (9/21). Any word on whether she's hired anyone yet?
I hear its a great gig and that there are even some perks that exceed elbow clerkships (i.e. the opportunity to work with all the judges on the court). But substantive value is not the same as prestige, and prestige matters. I don't think it has the same pizazz as an elbow clerkship on the resume, but many of the Big Law firms treat the staff attorney position just like any elbow clerkship with a federal judge (for bonus and experience purposes) and these places care about prestige as much as anyone.
I figure Tinder's district court clerks just got promoted, but he may be hiring one or two more since appellate judges typically have more clerks than district judges.
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Ripple has hired a Duke law grad.
Ripple also hired a Chicago alum.
Judge Ripple has hired only one law clerk for the 2008-2009 term. She is a Chicago alum now working at Duke law.
Thanks for the clarification.
does Wood follow the plan?
Yes, Wood is very serious about the Plan.
Flaum has already hired one. Not sure where from.
Wood is so serious about the plan that last year she wouldn't even consider interviewing alums before the 3Ls, although she did accept alum applications early. Which maybe is best described as serious, although weird, about the plan.
Flaum hired an alum from Northwestern.
Anyone heard whether Judge Tinder, who was recently nominated to replace Judge Manion, will be hiring clerks for the 08-09 term?
Um, I'd imagine Judge Tinder will probably focus on getting himself confirmed before he starts to worry about hiring clerks. Way to be proactive, though...
I would assume that Tinder will hire his clerks as usual for the district court, and if he ends up confirmed mid-term, he will take his clerks with him. So consider applying in Indianapolis.
I know that Tinder had hired a third clerk last year to start in January of 2008 (so a 1/08 - 1/09 term), because he was to start as Chief Judge then (in January of 08).
Does anyone know if Judge Posener (I think that's how it's spelled) hires from Tier 2? I remember from family law something by him about selling babies. Thought I might have a shot.
Evans has hired at least one clerk.
I recommend learning how to spell the name of the most prodigious and prestigious judge in all of the circuit courts before you consider applying to be his clerk
Looks like somebody's sarcasm meter is on the fritz.
Weird about Evans, I got a letter from him saying he wasn't making any hiring decisions for the '08 term until mid-September.
Ditto re: Flaum. I received the same letter.
err.. Ditto re: EVANS, that is...
Cudahy hired a U. of C. alum.
Evans hired a San Diego alum
Evans hired from San Diego when he has not hired from his alma mater (Marquette) that is higher ranked in years??
Fair point about Evans not hiring from Marquette, but I don't think ranking has much to do with it. For what's it worth, San Diego is presently ranked higher than Marquette, and it has been for the last few years. However, I doubt Judge Evans made his decision based on this relatively minor gap.
Manion has been conducting phone interviews. Not sure if he has moved beyond those.
So what judges have positions available as of right now?
Cudahy is done hiring.
If Wood is so universally well-respected (and always a name for a Dem SCOTUS spot), why hasn't she sent anyone to the Supreme Court?
Was Luttig especially well respected? Easterbrook is one of the most respected judges in the country and feeds pretty rarely.
Word is that Posner is hiring exclusively from law schools that are tier 2 or lower this year.
Just kidding. His Chicago or Yale in top 5% and publication experience rule is still in effect. Silly rabbit.
Luttig is a hack.
Does Posner follow the Plan?
Ripple hired a second Chicago alum. It's like, after years of never hiring from Chicago, he finally discovered it's a pretty good school. . .
Has Kanne been interviewing?
Manion is done hiring.
Got a letter from Rovner that she has no openings given all her current clerks are staying on in response to an app. I mailed her.
Yup, Rovner has career clerks.
Has Judge Ripple finished hiring?
Does Judge Wood typically fill on the first day of interviews, or does she interview into the second day?
I hope to have an even higher reporting rate of which judges hired from which schools. Please let me know!
Posner hired a Yale 3L.
Does anybody know which schools Judge Sykes' current clerks are from?
Sykes's clerks include Harvard, Marquette, and Notre Dame, per the Law Clerk Addict.
Posner hired an HLS 3L.
Posner hired from U of Chi too, so is now done.
what is the point of having a hiring plan if no one adheres to it? its just frustrating doing the right thing and spending time on stuff and not even being considered.
its not that people weren't considered, all apps were released w/the plan and those applying followed the rules, its the judge who decides what to do
Wood has sent out confirmations indicating she will make calls according to the plan.
That just cannot be true, Posner typically gets hundreds of applications, and if Posner was hiring by September 7 (from Yale) then there is no way all applicants were considered. Another its not what you know but who you know. Don't try to argue that all were considered, its not possible.
Wood is calling and emailing.
Whose calling for interviews today? Has Kanne called anyone yet?
Any 7Cir judges calling?
Any 7Cir judges calling?
Anyone calling today?
Ripple sent an e-mail at noon asking candidates to call his chambers to schedule interviews
Wood has called.
Sykes is calling.
So, is Wood done making calls? Anyone know if the other judges are done calling?
Has anyone heard anything from Flaum?
Kanne is calling for Sep 19 & 20 interviews.
9:25am (9/11), it prob depended on which school you went to....
so, is Sykes DONE calling?
Williams?
anyone get a call from Flaum?
Anybody heard from Bauer?
Wait, just to clarify: If we have not heard back from judges by this point, does that mean we are not going to hear?
Thanks in advance!
For the vast majority of judges, it is unlikely that you will hear from them if you haven't heard yet. There are exceptions, but its rare.
Actually, that is not true. MOST judges have not made their calls yet, and will do so on their own timeframe. Just look at this board - what fraction of judge names are you seeing?
Some judges on the Seventh Circuit are deliberately waiting until after this frantic period to make calls and do interviews.
This board is only as good as the info people post on it -- and when comments are disabled for most of the Call Day, it's unreasonable to expect the data will be that robust. And even if there hadn't been a technical glitch on Tuesday, that doesn't mean that reliable info would have been posted about every judge. So the "fraction" of names mentioned here is inconclusive on several levels.
I have enough familiarity with this process to know that a far greater number of judges call candidates on or before Call Day than after. I'm not saying no one will hear from a judge if they haven't already; I'm saying the chances are slim.
You'll also note that I'm commenting in a circuit court thread, and that's the level to which my comment applies. I make no representation regarding district, magistrate, BK, or state judges.
But as for circuit judges, I stand by my comment. Chances are slim, but not none, that a candidate might still hear from a circuit judge at this point, or that a judge hasn't made his/her calls.
"Some judges on the Seventh Circuit are deliberately waiting until after this frantic period to make calls and do interviews. "
Perhaps so, but other judges on the Seventh (and elsewhere, obviously) are not waiting. And all judges are reviewing and competing for the same group of applicants, generally speaking. Thus, if you didn't get called by any of the judges who aren't waiting, it is not terribly likely that you'll be called by a judge who *is* waiting.
(Admittedly, if those judges who wait call students who have already accepted offers with judges who didn't wait, then it becomes more likely that the judge will call students farther down their list.)
Judge Kanne has finished scheduling interviews.
Judge Evans has finished hiring.
apparently, Wood has already made offers.
7.57 - that is not true and bad form to say so.
well, the word is that wood has not only made offers but is done hiring
I have an interview with Wood on Wednesday, and her Judicial Assistant assure me that she is interviewing everyone before making any offers.
Wood adheres to the hiring plan, your attempt to cause anxiety amongst applicants is just nasty, and your "source" is clearly unreliable.
Does anyone know about the staff attorney clerkship positions on Seventh Circuit? Are they at all prestigious? Are they more prestigious that a Fed. Dis't Ct. clerkship?
I can't claim any personal knowledge on the prestige of a staff attorney position, but, intuitively, I would think such a position would carry less prestige than a district court clerkship.
Unfortunately, a number of law firms refuse to pay clerkship bonuses for staff attorney positions, even on a circuit court.
Sykes hired a 3L from Notre Dame.
I got the invitation to apply for a staff law clerk position on the 7th Circuit and was flat out told by one of my former profs that my current state supreme court clerkship was more prestigous. He suggested I not apply.
9:32 - so Skyes did not adhere to teh hiring plan for 3Ls, then?? She technically can't even interview 3Ls for another 45 minutes....
Uh, I don't think there's a noon deadline on the hiring plan.
http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/lawclerk.nsf/Content/SUMMARY?OpenDocument
Sykes followed the Plan in all respects. She also hired a second Notre Dame 3L today.
Re: Staff Law Clerk positions on the 7th.
I'm not sure about prestige, but they can lead to a term clerkship with one of the judges.
Posner is done. Chambers said he's adhered to his strict HYS top 5% w/law review publication requirement pretty closely this year. He is tired of messing around with students who aren't serious; an advanced degree in economics from an Ivy doesn't hurt either. Good luck.
The prof who told you that state s.ct. is more prestigious than staff atty at CA7 is only right if you care about prestige among people as uninformed as the prof. Many people are that uniformed, so whatever.
Hmm, I guess you don't consider former Posner clerk Kate Shaw (Northwestern '06) to be very serious? And I guess neither did her current boss, Justice Stevens...?
Anyone heard from Williams?
Judge Kanne is done hiring.
Wood, Evans, and Cudahy are done.
where did Wood hire from?
Within that state (and most likely outside that state), a state supreme court clerkship IS more prestigious than a staff attorney position at a federal COA level because the state supreme court clerkship is still an elbow law clerk position.
Do they each have three clerks? Someone told me they though some judges had four....
At least several of the judges on the 7th Circuit are hiring four. Sykes interviewed Thurs (9/20) and Fri (9/21). Any word on whether she's hired anyone yet?
ANy update on what is going on with Flaum?
Bauer's not interviewing until late September/early October, but does anyone know whether he's scheduled interviews?
Where did Kanne hire from?
Sykes has hired a 3L from Northwestern
10:15, according to his chambers, Bauer has only just started reviewing apps and is not ready to schedule interviews.
2:00 - Kanne hired from North Carolina, Illinois, and Minnesota
DESU DESU DESU DESU
Wood hired one from Boalt.
Flaum hired from Yale (3L), Stanford (3L), and Northwestern (alum).
Do you know what you are talking about? Flaum's chambers did not say that at about noon today.
Anyone heard from Williams?
Any news from Bauer yet?
Ripple?
Ripple has hired a 3L from Illinois.
Go Illini!
re: Staff Attorney Position
I hear its a great gig and that there are even some perks that exceed elbow clerkships (i.e. the opportunity to work with all the judges on the court). But substantive value is not the same as prestige, and prestige matters. I don't think it has the same pizazz as an elbow clerkship on the resume, but many of the Big Law firms treat the staff attorney position just like any elbow clerkship with a federal judge (for bonus and experience purposes) and these places care about prestige as much as anyone.
I received a rejection letter from Flaum. That was my only communication with him (i.e., I did not interview).
Btw, Evans hired 2 law school grads--ie, he followed the plan. Remember the plan doesn't apply to alums.
Any word on Williams?
Williams is well known for only hiring alumni. I haven't heard that she's done, though.
Bauer is done.
Anyone heard on staff attorney hiring yet?
I assume Tinder's Dist Ct clerks all just got promoted?
I figure Tinder's district court clerks just got promoted, but he may be hiring one or two more since appellate judges typically have more clerks than district judges.
Received a letter today from Tinder saying that dispite his promotion he has no new positions until next year.
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