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Professor Eugene Volokh of UCLA at the Volokh Conspiracy:
[The Clerkship Notification Blog] is a clearing house for applicants, clerks, and others to post information about which judges are interviewing, have hired, and the like. Sounds like a useful resource ....
David Lat at Above the Law:
If you're in the hunt for a judicial clerkship, whether state or federal, here's a great website that you should be aware of ....
University of Illinois College of Law Professor Lawrence B. Solum at the Legal Theory Blog:
The Clerkship Notification Blog provides a clearinghouse for information about judicial clerkships--which judges have picked and filled their slots and which judges still have open positions. This information is quite important to
the efficient functioning of the process.
[The Clerkship Notification Blog] is a clearing house for applicants, clerks, and others to post information about which judges are interviewing, have hired, and the like. Sounds like a useful resource ....
David Lat at Above the Law:
If you're in the hunt for a judicial clerkship, whether state or federal, here's a great website that you should be aware of ....
University of Illinois College of Law Professor Lawrence B. Solum at the Legal Theory Blog:
The Clerkship Notification Blog provides a clearinghouse for information about judicial clerkships--which judges have picked and filled their slots and which judges still have open positions. This information is quite important to
the efficient functioning of the process.
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185 comments:
Judge Cox in Mobile is finished hiring his clerks for 2008.
Dubina is done hiring.
Pryor also finished.
Tjoflat has hired one
Tjoflat from which school? is hiring 4 or 5. (last year one of his deferred to this year, i believe.)
Tjoflat has hired an '06 HLS grad, I know that much.
Tjoflat has also hired an '05 Richmond grad.
Black has hired two. One from Florida and not sure which school the other attended.
Is Black done hiring? How many openings were there?
Were Black's hires grads or does she follow the plan?
Judge Black has 4 spots. The hires were grads. Yes, she follows the plan, unlike most judges in this circuit.
Tjoflat is the most prestigious judge in this circuit. He has three spots left, and he's still interviewing.
So Black still has 2 positions available?
Why does Tjoflat not appear on the FLCIS page? Where can I get his mailing address?
If you don't attend Harvard, Yale or Duke, or have a professor and/or judge who can certify that you're a legal genius, I'd forget about Tjoflat. Don't know why he's not on the FLCIS page but you can likely find his address by googling his name. He's an extraordinary judge.
Really? Tjoflat? Extraordinary? Everyone knows that Barkett, Pryor, and Marcus are the 11th Cir. powerhouses.
Tjoflat is NOT the most prestigious judge on the 11th circuit. You are either clerking for him or are related to him. He's not bad, don't get me wrong, but in terms of prestige, I'd have to say Barkett is where it's at.
"Everyone knows that Barkett, Pryor, and Marcus are the 11th Cir. powerhouses." What!? Guess I and my fellow clerks who all clerk on this circuit were the last to know. Great info though. I'll make sure I relay that to all of them so that we can all figure out some other reason why all of Tjoflat's clerks have more opportunities and why every lawyer quakes in fear when they hear his name. Seriously, you both have no idea about the pecking order of the 11th Circuit. You should send your apps somewhere else.
I actually have always thought highly of Judge Anderson.
I would just like to second the Barkett, Pryor, Marcus comment. Tjoflat is a great judge, but his reputation stems from the fact that he has been on the court a really long time and that he does not allow his clerks to do any work. Pryor and Barkett on the other hand are, respectively, the two most recent and vocal champions of the court's right and left wings.
Judge Tjoflat is a fine judge, but anyone claiming him to be the most "prestigious" judge on the 11th is clearly clerking for him or related to him.
By far, the most prestigious clerkships -- that is, the ones the top firms recruit from and that law schools would consider hiring as professors -- are Barkett, followed by Marcus and Pryor.
It's not even close. Tjoflat is ancient and nearly obsolete.
Your comment is not worth a substantive response because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. And no, I am not clerking for him nor am I related to him. However, I do clerk in this Circuit and I'm aghast to read these posts because they are contrary to everything that I and my fellow clerks have first hand knowledge of.
I also find your comment that he is "ancient and nearly obsolete" incredibly unprofessional and insulting to both Judge Tjoflat and to the Court. Judge Tjoflat is a nationally reverred and respected judge and a first among equals.
I will say no more on this topic because it is clear to me that those posting on this site are ignorant about the Circuit.
I clerked on this Circuit. I don't know what the pro-Tjoflat person is talking about. It's not a universal fact by any stretch that Tjoflat is the best. As for opportunities, it seems that only Black and Anderson have recently "sent" anyone to the Supreme Court. Also, Barkett's clerks all seem to be Ivy Leaguers that end up teaching. Anyone can get a job at a firm, so I won't address that.
Barkett, Marcus & Pryor MORE prestigious than Tjoflat. Please! They're all great judges, but Tjoflat is the man! He's had several clerks go on to the Supreme Court, into acadamia, and into federal judgeships. Plus, he's a true academic. I'm personally in awe of the guy.
Pryor is also an incredible judge and some day I predict he'll be the man on this circuit.
Judge Anderson is also a great judge. He's really bright and he has a great accent. One of his clerks will be clerking for Justice Roberts next term.
Good luck to all of you applying in the circuit. All the judges are great and the atmosphere is very collegial. You'll also have tremendous opportunities no matter which judge you work for.
However, in terms of national respect, Tjoflat is the guy, and believe me the man is not "obsolete." Whoever said that is a moron. Peace.
Maybe Tjoflat clerks have "more opportunities" in the Circuit, but Marcus, Pryor, Barkett clerks have more opportunities outside the Circuit or in general?
People who say "peace" like it's 1993 and think they are "down" are morons.
This whole discussion is absurd. I also clerked in this Circuit and I can't definitively say that Tjoflat is better or more "prestigious" than any other judge. I will say this, Tjoflat is an extraordinary man and if you have the honor to clerk for him, you are truly fortunate because your opportunities will be boundless. Both within the Circuit and outside the Circuit.
Barkett, Pryor and Marcus are also outstanding judges. Pryor, though, seems to be the shooting star of the Circuit. He's very smart. However, if I had my pick of of those 4 judges to work for, I would pick Tjoflat. That's my own personal preference based on my own experiences and knowledge.
And shame on the person who called him "obsolete." As one of the posters said, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. And I doubt you'd ever get a clerkship with him, anyway. Good luck to all the applicants. The 11th Circuit is a great place to work.
What's annoying is that this whole thing started because someone, completely ignoring the point of the thread, posted the 'Tjoflat won't take you so don't apply' hogwash. Most appellate judges have the same high standards, so that comment was just a gratuitous attempt to flame the other judges and promote some Tjoflat worship. You can't be angry that someone replied and called your bluff (also, your facts are wrong, last time I checked "Richmond" isn't ivy league).
As long as we're making unsubstantiated, anonymous claims, I declare Judge Carnes and Judge Anderson to be the best judges on the circuit.
I can confirm that Tjoflat has hired two and that Black has also hired two. Cox is finished as is Pryor and Dubina. Wilson has made some calls as has Anderson. Rumor has it that only Black and Hull are following the hiring plan.
And Tjoflat is awesome. I'd love to work for him. Of course, I'd like to work for any circuit judge.
I like Judge Tjoflat. I really like his glasses, too.
Let's stop being doofuses (doofi?) and recognize that, sure, some judges are more known than others, but (1) the marginal cost of an extra application to the solomonesque Judge Tjoflat is miniscule, so who cares even if he, based on the prediction of his groupie here, won't look at it unless you're of a certain caliber; and (2) it's a privilege to clerk anywhere in the federal courts. And I second the comments about CA11 being a great place to work. Let's all take a deep breath about who's better than whom and remember that it's Friday! For those of us in private practice, that means there are only two more workdays 'til Monday!!
Well said. I also love Tjoflat's seersucker suit.
Can anyone tell me the political leanings of the judges? Or their "big" issues? I think I have an idea, but would like some insider opinions on this. I'd really appreciate it!
OK, I'll bite. But I don't really know what you mean re: politics. If you're asking what party the judges belong to, they probably almost all vote for the party that appointed them.
Re: which issues the judges are personally interested in, here are my crude generalizations:
JLE: 1983, QI.
GBT: Fed. jur. / civ. pro.
RLA: Economic issues.
SFB: Intellectual property.
EEC: Sentencing / criminal law.
RB: Sending things to oral argument.
These comments are hilarious. Leave it to the nation's least prestigious circuit to spark an impassioned debate about which judge is the most prestigious.
I declare the 9th Circuit as the least prestigious.
Come on. the 8th Circuit is clearly the least prestigious.
My Circuit is more prestigious than your Circuit.
My Judge is more prestigious than your Judge.
My dad can beat up your dad.
That's basically what arguments on lawblogs always devolve into. Are we all really that insecure?
Look, if you don't have any info relevant to the circuit clerkship sweepstakes, don't post. Those of us trying to get a clerkship are losing sleep as it is and this stupid pissing contest is anything but helpful. My God, we're talking Circuit clerkships. You land any of these and you're gold. It doesn't matter which Circuit you happen to land in.
This is a dumb debate. There is no objective way to measure prestige, it's a completely subjective concept. All of the judges that have been mentioned are prestigious, but to say one is more prestigious than another is completely stupid. Grow up...you're not in law school anymore, there's no test for the judges to take to measure their prestige relative to their colleagues.
Alright, we now have more than a dozen comments chastising or otherwise poking fun at what appears to be one tongue-in-cheek obviously over-the-top praising of Judge Tjoflat and at most one serious response. There is no longer an argument going on here, if there ever was.
August 6, 4:41 poster - if you were a troll, I salute you!
Please just focus on who's interviewing, who's done, and from which schools those who secured clerkships attended.
Judge Barkett has hired two clerks. Not sure from which schools.
Interested in clerking in '08. Currently in private practice. Any suggestions on when or how I should start my search?
12:46: The "when" is easy - now. Most of the 11th Cir. judges do not follow the hiring plan, and the few that do will still look at applications from people already in private practice.
As for "how," do you have a more specific question? Applying out of private practice is basically the same as applying straight from school. You will probably want to include a rec letter or at least a reference phone number from a private employer, so that the judge doesn't worry that you are unable to handle private practice. But most of your rec letters should come from your former professors, because, generally speaking, professors are much better at writing useful letters of recommendation than are practicing attorneys.
Is Barkett therefore done?
What's the status of Black? Still openings?
Don't know if Barkett is done. Black has two openings and word is that she intends to hire law students to fill those positions.
Word? How do you know this stuff?!
If Barkett has hired two then she is not done.
Barkett has hired at least one, a current district court clerk.
The Barkett information on here is not accurate. The confusion might be that she staggers clerks, so *usually* there are 3 that start in Aug/Sept and 2 that start in Jan. So, there are two that will be starting in January 2008, but those were hired last hiring season.
Hence, for the Aug/Sept, 2008 and the Jan, 2009 spots (which are considered the same "class" and are hired from the same hiring season), she has *not* yet hired and *is* following the plan.
You can find (most of) this on OSCAR.
Barkett has hired one as of today, confirmed. As to the others, I hope there are openings.
Judge Fay in Miami is a great judge. I believe he has one more position open in 2008.
My goodness. As law clerk to a district judge in this Circuit, all I have to say is that I hope you circuit clerks who spend your time arguing over whose judge is "better" are spending as much time considering the numerous appeals that we've sent from my court to yours! No one cares about about which school you attended, the prestige of your judge, and which circuit is better. This is no longer law school - you have important work to be done and the stakes are high. So grow up.
Again, let's stay on topic. Who has hired? Who is interviewing? And from what school the hired person attended? I am happy to report that I was offered a clerkship position in this Circuit earlier this month. (I'm an alum and currently a district court clerk) Good luck to all the candidates.
With whom? Are you not taking it?
The person who wrote "Again, let's stay on topic" should take his/her own advice. You ask the relevant questions (who is hiring? who is interviewing? and from what law school?), but you provide no answers. But congrats on your clerkship!
Yes, I have accepted. I'm not going to reveal which judge so as to keep my anonymity, but it is a judge that has already been identified as either currently hiring or finished hiring. And it's not Barkett. I know this is a very trying time for everyone, but good luck. Go to greedy clerks if you need any specific advice about a judge or about the interviewing process.
"I'm not going to reveal which judge so as to keep my anonymity"
Are you serious? Heaven forbid we know who "August 17, 2007 9:45 PM" is clerking for!
Is Tjoflat finished? Anyone know if he hires from the University of Chicago?
August 18, 2007 8:45 AM:
I totally agree with you. I certainly don't understand the purpose of someone posting 'I got a clerkship with some judge on the 11th Circuit.' How does that help any of us? That doesn't tell us any information at all.
U.Chicago person:
I am sure Tjoflat will hire someone from U.Chicago. He's not Kozinski for goodness sakes. Let's get some perspective.
I think the person who posted that he/she got a clerkship was doing a victory lap. Well, congrats, but you don't help anyone by being an a**.
As for Tjoflat, I know one of his recent law clerks, who attended Yale, is a professor at Chicago. You should ask him.
Anyone else getting a little nrevous by seeing all of these judges hiring before the plan dates? Hope there are some spots left by labor day.
As a former Tjoflat clerk, I would like to clear up one error above. It is entirely incorrect that he doesn't let clerks do any work, unless by "work" you mean non-argued cases ("screeners") and bench memos. In GBT's chambers, clerks work almost exclusively on opinions in argued cases.
I personally thought this focus on the most challenging work was a plus; others might feel differently, though I can't imagine why.
For those interested in the qualifications that are likely to garner an interview or offer, GBT recieves a large number of exceptional candidates. You do not need to be from Harvard, Yale, or Duke, but in order to be competitive you do need to have gone to a good law school and to have done very well there.
Marcus is interviewing and has hired one.
9:04 AM: I didn't post the earlier comments, and I'm sure GBT gives the clerks interesting projects. That being said, I'm not sure that argued cases are categorically the most challenging, nor do they involve the most responsibility.
Bench memos, if your judge wants detailed briefing in advance of oral argument, are harder than opinions. You have to do a huge amount of analysis, record review, and writing in a very short time frame. And since the bench memo helps shape the judge's opinion of the case in advance of oral argument, in some senses there is more pressure to get everything right then in a written opinion, in which the judge has already made up his mind, you have weeks or months to fine tune, the judge will substantially change it, and your co-clerks will error check.
Screeners are easier than argued cases, but involve very different skills. In a screener, you need a fast turnaround and you are under more pressure to reach the correct conclusion, since at least in the preliminary draft stage the judge probably hasn't told you which way it should come out.
And given that the judge will comb over the argued opinions very closely but needs to move on screeners quickly, to some extent they are your greatest responsibility because you are a much larger part of the error trapping system.
I'm sure I'll remember the argued opinions I helped with during my clerkship longer than the bench memos and screeners, but I'm glad I did all three.
"You do not need to be from Harvard, Yale, or Duke, but in order to be competitive you do need to have gone to a good law school and to have done very well there."
But Tjoflat doesn't give a damn about how much you've published either, right?
Oh, really? I know for a fact he DOES care about publications. In our interview he seemed very interested and impressed about the fact that I had published. And yes, I got an offer.
9:00 AM,
Do you mind sharing your stats to give an idea of the profile of a successful 11th Circuit clerk? Thanks!
(BTW, I don't know what 7:34's beef is, but I've published a lot in law school and in private practice. Does Tjoflat still have openings?)
Top 10%, Law Review, and several publications. I don't know if he has any spots remaining. Good luck to you.
I can't imagine that Tjoflat's clerks do that much work. As a former clerk (not for Tjoflat, but on this Circuit), all I remember is that Tjoflat's turn-around time after oral argument was like 1-2 years average. I never understood what took so long...
I think the prestige debate is misplaced and a bit misguided. If you are interested in civil rights work, public defenders, or public interest in general, then Barkett is the prestigious clerkship. She gets applicants that could get clerkships in other places for this very reason.
If you are interested in teaching, then I think Tjoflat (or even Barkett, because schools tend to be liberal) would be good.
I chose my judge (neither of those mentioned) based on (1) location and (2) my respect for that judge's opinions and writing style. I say I "chose" loosely, because as everyone knows, with clerkships, you kinda take what you can get.
I wish a COA judge would look at a candidate whose record of writing and publishing a substantial amount of scholarship in a relatively short amount of time as extremely valuable.
Why? What do your law reviews articles have to do with the job? Also, maybe a judge will worry that you are going to use the Westlaw access to pursue of prolific lifestyle.
"maybe a judge will worry that you are going to use the Westlaw access to pursue of prolific lifestyle."
Is that really a viable argument, let alone a valid concern (notwithstanding it makes no grammatical sense)?
Publications are prima facie evidence of strong writing and analytical skills. A judge--or rather, all you clerks out there--should pay particular attention to candidates whose publication record is distinguished.
Yawn. Get over yourself. You should have spent more time studying for exams than writing law review articles that no one will read.
This site is supposed to be about the merits of clerking and updating, not telling people to "get over yourself" or for yawning. Grow up people!
Why? What do your law reviews articles have to do with the job?
Wow, are you actually seriously asking this? It shows you can engage in legal research and writing very well--the tasks that law clerks actually do.
Yawn. Get over yourself. You should have spent more time studying for exams than writing law review articles that no one will read.
I assume you're implying that one's ability to write an appealing 3 hour exam is important. While it undoubtedly is, I would argue the inverse: gaining publication on a journal shows that, when given a longer timeframe in which to write (such as 2-3 weeks) and abundant access to research materials, the student excels at crafting work product more in line with that of an actual law clerk. Bench memoranda, for example, can be upwards of 40 pages, and the clerk is given between 30-60 hours to complete it. A far cry from a closed book 3 hour exam.
Just get over yourself, okay. I've also published; though not as much as you I would assume. My point is that everyone at this level is spectacular and most have published, but they have also managed to make stellar grades, participate in community service, moot court, and other activities. A strong candidate is well rounded. Although I only have two publications, my judge was impressed by them, but he was much more impressed, with my grades. While publications are important, at least to a minority of judges, they are by no means a necessary nor sufficient condition of procuring a position on the Circuit. At any rate good luck to you and I hope I haven't already placed your application in the reject pile. Although, I probably have.
Personally, I don't know if I applied to your judge. If I have, then you would have noticed all my publications (I have a fairly large corpus given that I've been out of law school not that long). If I haven't, then your comments have been constructive for the next time around when I am applying to circuit judges (and perhaps your judge).
My advice: stop using the term "corpus." It makes you sound like a complete tool.
To the poster who said GBT's turnaround is one to two years, that is flat out wrong. The court has a list that is circulated monthly that has all the cases pending more than 6 months since oral argument and the judge to whom they are assigned. During my year there was only one GBT case that stayed on that list more than one month in a row, and that was for a very good reason which had nothing to do with how hard the clerks work.
Birch has finished hiring.
I heard from a circuit judge outside the Eleventh Circuit that Tjoflat thinks a bit too much of himself and tries to monopolize oral argument. So that poster who said that people "quake in fear" of Tjoflat must be referring to Tjoflat's colleagues who fear that they won't be able to ask their questions.
Sounds like you (or this "judge") have quite the axe to grind. Sorry Tjoflat rejected you. However, I hear state court clerkships can be fairly rewarding. Hope this helps.
Good try. Actually, I'm a law clerk to a circuit judge. Nice try though. Are the opinions you write as incorrect as your assumptions?
They are at least as incorrect as your grammar. Nevertheless, I am happy for you. I hear state circuit clerkships are highly regarded. Hope this helps.
"I hear state circuit clerkships are highly regarded."
Do you speak from experience?
Well, I'll offer my two cents. I've seen Tjoflat during oral argument. He's a pompous idiot.
9/5/07 11:49 Your comment about Tjoflat is completely inappropriate. And probably libelous. .
9/5/07 11:45. You were pawned, so give it up with your lame comebacks. Furthermore, your comment about some judge telling you about Tjoflat monopolzing time at oral argument was irrelevant and unhelpful.
This blog is for persons applying for clerkships. Any post that doesn't provide information relevant to the hiring process should be made elsewhere.
People, show some respect for the judiciary and those judges that serve in it.
September 5, 2007 12:01 PM
You should take your own advice. As you so aptly demonstrate, a judge's law clerks can quickly undermine respect for that judge.
I am not a law clerk, I am an applicant. My only post was the 12:01 post. So, I fail to see how I have undermined respect for any judge.
It seems that you're merely a jerk who likes to post smart ass, ill informed comments on an anonymous site. My point was simply that you should go elsewhere to play your little game. I have invested a lot of time and effort in procuring a clerkship and I would like to use this site to help me attain that goal. And not waste my time reading your stupid, petty posts. And I would love to clerk for Tjoflat or any judge on the Circuit.
Bottom line: show some respect for the judiciary.
Now, anyone hear from Judge Black?
Well, with that kind of attitude and name-calling, good luck finding any job, forget the clerkship.
I hope Judge Black does not call you, 2:04. There are plenty of other well-deserving candidates who do not disparage the competition and are better suited, regardless of your school, rank, and experience. Good luck.
This whole thread is pathetic. We have people disparaging judges,and making silly "hope this helps" comments, but when someone calls them out on it like 2:04 they act wounded and victimized.
"I hope Judge X doesn't call you because you called me on my shenanigans." "I hope you don't ever get a job because you pointed out that I shouldn't disparage a federal judge."
This is hillarious. Guess it's easy to just play the victim when someone scolds you for your inappropriate behaviour. Look, we don't know anything about judges and we have no standing to call a judge a pompous anything. We should be happy if a judge smiles in our general direction. So know your place and shut the f*** up. Yeah, I go to a great school and I worked hard, but I have enough humility and respect to know that I shouldn't say derogatory things about judges.
I'm glad I already have my clerkship offer locked up. And I hope I'm not working with any of you because you people suck.
Now you can start bashing my anonymous post, and my crude language, and hope terrible things happen to me because I've vicitimized you. And 2:04, I hope Judge Black does call you.
PLEASE stop with your rants about particular judges. That's not what this blog is for. I, for one, don't want to have to sift through your crap to see what I came here for: NOTIFICATIONS. Thanks!
Does anyone know if Black is calling yet?
3:03,
Hilarious is spelled with one L, not two.
Judge Black is calling.
Judge Tjoflat is a good man who has served his country with dedication and distinction. Even in his mid-70s (I think), he still puts a great deal of effort into his work. I may not agree with all of his reasoning, but I have seen him in oral argument, met him several times, had pleasant and informative conversations with him, and seen his behind-the-scenes work. He is a great judge with a tremendous amount of experience. He may very occasionally be quixotic, but he does not deserve the name-calling that has been hurled at him here.
And no, I did not clerk for him, work for him, carry his groceries, or marry one of his relatives.
You're just the founding President of the Tjoflat Fan Appreciation Club of America, the creator of the "We Love Tjoflat, J." tj-shirt^TM, and producer and creative director of the E! True Hollywood Story: "Going Toe to Tjo with The Honorable Judge Tjoflat."
Just kidding.
I have met Judge Tjoflat and heard him speak. He is an exceptionally pleasant person with tremendous insight.
More importantly, working for any circuit judge is a WONDERFUL opportunity. People always have to find ways to destroy others' accomplishments with myopic comments to feel better about themselves.
Edmondson is calling.
Kravitch is scheduling interviews.
Does anyone know anything about Judge Wilson in Tampa -- is he done hiring already? calling today? calling later?
Marcus, anyone?
Anderson was calling yesterday. Anyone hear from Marcus or Wilson?
Marcus is done, he went early this year.
hull?
I believe Wilson has hired two grads so far for 08-09. One is from Notre Dame. Not sure about the other. Also not sure if/when he plans to call/interview 3Ls.
"9/5/07 11:49 Your comment about Tjoflat is completely inappropriate. And probably libelous."
Actually, it's probably NOT libelous. Like criticism of the government in general, there is a presumption that our First Amendment rights probably protect speech regarding judges. Further, personal opinions, like that one, which are not asserting any facts (i.e., things that can be objective proven untrue) cannot serve as the basis for a libel suit.
Learn the law and then make comments about it. That order is best.
Judge Smith is finished.
Last comment meant for Ninth Circuit
Anyone know about the status on Carnes hiring/interviewing?
Tjoflat has also hired an '04 Duke grad (that may be the one from last year who deferred to this year).
Carnes is done last I heard. He was not following the plan.
Carnes was done a while ago; received a letter at least last month confirming this.
Wilson in FL?
Carnes was still hiring as of this week, for at least one or two spots. He did jump the gun on the Plan.
Black's done
8:25 a.m.
Get a life, then a date. That order is best.
Has anyone heard whether Wilson is still hiring?
I'm feeling uneasy as I did not receive any calls last week. Not that I expected to . . . just wishful thinking.
Don't give up. I'm sure some circuit and district judges have yet to call.
And to 8:25 and your libel analysis. It's been a while since I've studied the tort of libel, but your analysis seems incorrect or at least incomplete. However, assuming, arguendo, that you are correct and calling a federal circuit judge a pompous idiot does not give rise to a cuase of action in libel, it does give rise to an ethics complaint, moreover, it is simply a statement made in poor taste.
We as attorneys have a duty to refrain from making such statements and we should condemn those who do.
Hey Larry! Don't sweat it. I've applied for 68 clerkships - I've got a great resume (I think) and I haven't generated much interest. I interviewed with 1 judge in June (haven't heard 1 way or the other), and I have another interview in a few weeks with a different judge. Other than that - NADA. Stay strong! Stay focused! It'll all work out! Pray!
nothing on hull then?
Where did Black hire from?
Black has hired someone from Duke.
Black hired 3Ls from Duke and Florida, and a grad from Florida. I am pretty sure the fourth is also a grad, but I am not sure where from.
@ September 12, 2007 9:54 AM
"Marcus is done, he went early this year."
Judge Marcus is NOT done. I just spoke with chambers. The judge still has two openings left.
We as attorneys have a duty to refrain from making such statements and we should condemn those who do.
An ethics complaint for giving an opinion? Come on. Isn't free expression, especially concerning those in government, the hallmark of our democracy? Judges have thick skins and are criticized routinely. This isn't the first time that a judge has been criticized, nor will (nor should it) be the last.
As attorneys we surrender certain rights of expression. It is unethical for an attorney to engage in conduct that would undermine resepct of the judiciary, especially given that the judiciary's power is built on respect for its decisions. As officers of the court, we have a duty to foster respect for the judiciary and keep our opinions to ourselves about those discharging the duties of the judiciary. I know as a law clerk I would be terminated immediately if I made such a comment about a judge.
What a stupid conclusion. Is it "bad" to express dissatisfaction or talk negatively about the president, a senator, or a member of congress? How is expressing a negative opinion about a judge any different. Do you think negative opinions about the government undermines the government? You're a communist, aren't you? In fact, some would argue that attorneys have even a greater duty to speak up and voice their opinions rather than remaining silent pawns in the system they manage.
As attorneys we surrender certain rights of expression
Funny...last I checked, the First Amendment applied to attorneys as well. Am I missing something?
As attorneys we surrender certain rights of expression
Hey! No one ever told me that when I decided to enroll in law school!
I sincerely doubt you would express such opinions about a judge if you had to sign your name to the statement. If you are in fact an attorney, you would certainly face disciplinary action, thus your hiding behind this veil of anonymity makes you a coward.
Plus, I know the difference between disagreeing with a judge's decisions and calling him an idiot--the former is proper, the latter is sanctionable. And if I'm a communist for believing attorneys should respect the judiciary and refrain from ad hominem attacks against it, so be it.
Hey dorks! Find something more important to argue about. I hear Wal-Mart's having a sale on pocket protectors this week!
Judge Tjoflat hired a 3L from Duke
hull?
Anyone know whether Anderson has hired?
I don't think that people should go around calling judges "pompous idiot[s]," but it is plainly wrong to say that it is sanctionable activity. Unless you are in court, the court has no authority to sanction an attorney for voicing his/her opinion in this way. I would agree that as lawyers we should censor ourselves from inflammatory language, but that has nothing to do with an actual relinquishing of 1st Amendment rights; it's more about self-control.
In the state I'm licensed, such a comment made in a public forum would give rise to a bar complaint. An attorney working in one of the Cities where I summered was sanctioned for making a derogatory comment about a state judge in a speech. So, yes, it is about self control, but it's also about maintaining professional standards of conduct, and not bringing disrepute upon the legal profession and the judiciary.
Anderson hired a 3L from Texas Law.
Black other hire is a grad who attended W&L.
Wilson is not yet interviewing. (I called his chambers).
Any update on Barkett?
2 judges on the 11th Circuit each hired a Brooklyn Law 3L: Marcus & Kravitch.
Per FLCIS, Hull (ATL) is done.
on flcis, hull has only filled 1 position, do you know something more?
My judge just commented that everyone in the 11th Circuit has finished hiring, with the exception of Wilson. Cannot independently verify this, but take it for what it's worth.
I hope your information is incorrect. However, if it is, my last shot at my home state is The Honorable Judge Wilson.
Anyone ever heard of the Eleventh Circuit hiring William and Mary grads?
Wilson has two spots left. Already filled 3 of them. Still reviewing applications.
Anyone know what's up with Carnes reposting? Should the OSCAR email be interpreted as "if you applied the in the first round we already have your application for consideration this time" or "the existing applicant pool was entirely unsatisfactory so we're seeking entirely new applicants"?
is Carnes pretty much looking for a HYS Fed Soc member?
Barkett has definitely not finished hiring. *Reliable* word is she has yet to call or interview anybody. So keep hope alive.
After my experience with Carnes, I was not surprised to see that his position was not filled
11:21, can you elaborate? Definitely super conservative, but difficult to work for?
4:11 -- How are searching OSCAR to determine that Carnes has "reposted"? Did he previously not come up when you did an "available" search, or is there a spot to find recently posted openings?
Judge Kravitch hired a UNC alum.
Yes, elaborate on Carnes. Interviewer of former clerk? As for the position being open, some schools sent out announcements saying that the position was open again.
interviewer *or* former clerk. sorry
Carnes is difficult on litigants. His clerks all seem to love him.
Edmondson hired a Duke student. Not sure about the other clerks.
Anyone know when Carnes plans to call or interview this second batch of applicants?
I second 3:10's request.
Carnes hired an Emory 3L over the summer.
10:52,
Lest there be any confusion, we are referring to the position which Judge Carnes re-opened earlier this week.
what about hull? FLCIS still lists her has having 3 spots (2 term and 1 career) available
Has Carnes called anyone to interview for the clerkship he just opened up?
Hull is not hiring until October. No idea why she waits so late every year.
One thing I do know about the Carnes interview slot: wear your "blue" socks.
10:44 (blue socks), huh?
what does that mean?
If you honestly don't know what that means in refernce to Carnes, you probably shouldn't be interviewing with him.
Dude, stop being such a jerk. I already have a job on the Circuit and I don't care about TTT Carnes. Just tell us what you mean by the reference.
Anything new re: Wilson in Tampa?
Chillllll, 9:11, it was a joke. Blue socks?? lol
Carnes is no TTT, btw. And no, I did not clerk for him.
I concur with 9:11. Carnes is TTT, as is 2:50 P.M.
Why is everyone so down on Carnes? A couple of years ago, he was ranked as one of the best appellate judges. http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002MX1.
http://www.infirmation.com/bboard/clubs-fetch-
msg.tcl?msg_id=002MX1
TTT
Still, the relevant question: has anyone heard from Carnes?
It seems from FLCIS Hull is hiring, any info?
FLCIS shows the Carnes position filled today.
Law Clerk Addict is still missing a lot of 11th Circuit info. If anyone knows which schools particular judges hired students from this cycle, please post it here.
That Carnes spot was filled by another Emory 3L.
Judge Wilson hired an Emory 3L.
Hull hired one from Michigan
Hull also hired from Vanderbilt.
Is Hull done? I thought she was hiring three.
Black's 4th hire is a 3L W&L grad. Anyone know if Barkett is done?
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